Water cooled 3d printer
3D Printering: Water-Cooled Hotends | Hackaday
There’s an old joke about the Thermos bottle that keeps things hot and cold, so someone loaded it with soup and ice cream. That joke is a little close to home when it comes to FDM 3D printers.
You want to melt plastic, of course, or things won’t print, so you need heat. But if the plastic filament gets hot too early, it will get soft, expand, and jam. Heat crawling up the hot end like this is known as heat creep and there are a variety of ways that hot ends try to cope with the need to be hot and cold at the same time. Most hotends today are air-cooled with a small fan. But water-cooled hotends have been around for a while and are showing up more and more. Is it a gimmick? Are you using, planning to use, or have used (and abandoned) water cooling on your hot end?
Heat Break
The most common method is to use a heat-break between the heating block and the rest of the filament path. The heat-break is designed to transfer as little heat as necessary, and it usually screws into a large heat sink that has a fan running over it. What heat makes it across the break should blow away with the fan cooling.
From Thomas Sanladerer’s review of the Copperhead hotend. Heat break in the middle.High tech solutions include making heat-breaks out of titanium or even two dissimilar metals, all with the aim of transferring less heat into the cooler part of the hot end. More modern hot ends use support structures so the heatbreak doesn’t need mechanical rigidity, and they can make very thin-walled heatbreaks that don’t transmit much heat. Surely, then, this is case closed, right? Maybe not.
While it is true that a standard heat-break and a fan can do the job for common 3D printing tasks, there can be problems. First, if you want to print fast — time is money, after all — you need more power to melt more filament per second. If a heatbreak transfers 10% of the heat, this increases demands on the upstream cooling. Some engineering materials want to print at higher temperatures, so you can have the same problem there as well. If you want to heat the entire print chamber, which can help with certain printing materials, that can also cause problems since the ambient air is now hotter. Blowing hot air around isn’t going to cool as effectively. Not to mention, fans that can operate at high temperatures are notoriously expensive.
There are other downsides to fans. Over a long print, a marginal system might eventually let enough heat creep up. Then there’s the noise of a fan blowing during operation. True, you probably have other fans and noisy parts, but it is still one more noise source. With water cooling, you can move the radiator outside a heated enclosure and use larger, slower, and quieter fans while getting more cooling right where you want it.
Water Water Everywhere: Nothing New?
High-performance computers have long relied on liquid cooling. A heat exchange block has an inlet and outlet for a liquid that absorbs heat better than air. A pump circulates the liquid and another heat exchanger allows the liquid to cool before it is pumped back to the hot part of the loop. Why not apply that to 3D printing hotends?
Why not, indeed. There are several entries in the field, going back a few years. None of these have become super popular for general use. We’ve also seen renewed interest and products lately. If you want to do it yourself, we’ve looked at a very easy way to water-cool an E3D-style hot end.
It is somewhat surprising how long ago these first started to appear. The Titan Aqua from E3D was hardly the first entry in the field and its intro video is from December 2017.
[DIY3DTECH] looked at a cheap eBay-sourced water-cooled hotend about a year later, although we didn’t find a follow-up video, so we wonder if it sat on the shelf or if it just sprung numerous leaks. Dyze Design had water cooling back in 2015. So it isn’t new, it just isn’t that widespread. At least, not today.
Modern Times
Even the newer hotends can participate. Slice Engineering has a liquid version of their Mosquito hotend. Trianglelab has the Arethusa, and there are still custom projects like the one in the video below.
Of course, adding a heat exchange block and a quantity of water can add weight to a hotend and that’s not desirable. However, in practice, the tubing and fittings don’t weigh much and there shouldn’t be that much water inside the heat block at any given time. However, if you are doing your own design, you should be mindful of adding too much weight.
The other problem you may worry about is leakage. Today, a failed extruder fan might lead to a jam. But spewing water all over your printer is probably going to be worse. You want to use connectors that are unlikely to fail. In addition, you might think about the liquid you use. Any additives or chemicals in the liquid should probably survive contact with your nozzle without disastrous effect.
As we’ve seen before, homebrewing a liquid-cooled hotend doesn’t have to be a big undertaking. Most hotends already have some heatsink so you only need to flow water over it. The video below shows a self-described “janky” method, but it proves the point: this can be a fairly simple modification to many printers. On the other end of the spectrum, the Blackbox printer uses it right out of the gate — no modification required.
Your Turn
Do you have any interest in water cooling your 3D printer? Or have you done it? How did it work for you? Let us know in the comments.
If water is too simple for you, and cooling with oil isn’t messy enough, we’ve also seen people opt for peltier devices to cool their hot ends. There are a few problems with this, though. First, they do take a lot of power. Also, while one side gets cold, the other side gets at least as hot, and that heat has to go somewhere. So now you might be back to a fan or — yep — water cooling.
Water Cooling and Peltier Cooling in 3D Printers
Why would you need liquid cooling? How is it any good? Why not use a Peltier cooler?
We released our first liquid cooling solution back in 2015 for our DyzeXtruder and Dyzend. We wanted to offer a solution that would ensure reliable behaviour under a hot environment and water cooling did an amazing job. As you’ll read below, we managed to get a lower system temperature in a hot environment using liquid cooling compared to an air-cooled unit at room temperature, quite impressive indeed!
Original liquid cooling block with a DyzEnd-XWith the recent beta release of our high flow products only available with liquid cooling, we’ve been quite challenged with this decision and wanted to write about how we ended up designing them this way.
The reasons behind liquid cooling
We get these questions a lot: “why liquid cooling?”, “isn’t it over-designed?” Well, it’s an effective solution to many limitations in 3D printing, as listed below.
High Temperature Environment
Filaments such as PEI, PEEK, PSU and other engineering grade polymers require a heated environment temperature up to 210 °C, and sometimes even hotter. Due to patent infringement, machine manufacturers need to place all the extrusion systems inside the heated environment. Both the motor, the fan, and a few other critical parts are heated.
Stepper motors have insulation classes according to their insulation materials and maximum rating. The most common class is B and the maximum temperature is 130 °C. Class F can handle 155 °C and class H goes up to 180 °C. However, you can’t run a motor at its maximum rated temperature, you need to consider a temperature rise when the motor is running.
Motor class ratingStill, even if the motor can handle high temperature, there are other concerns. All the gears, bearings and other rotary elements will greatly see their lifespan reduced. Not all grease, alloys and surface coatings are designed for handling constant high-temperature.
High temperature bearingIf you look for a high temperature fan, you’ll be surprised that most of them can’t go over 85°C. At $75 for a single fan, alternative solutions start getting interesting.
Sanyo Denki High-Temperature FanHigh-power requirements
With the new Typhoon having 400 W of heating power and the Pulsar having twice as much, standard fin heat sink are becoming a bottleneck. Even with a very low thermal conductivity heatbreak, quite a lot of heating power gets to the cold section.
Let’s consider the Typhoon, where 40 Watts of power needs to be dissipated from both the motor and conduction in the heat break. If we want to keep the Typhoon temperature up to a maximum of 20 °C over the ambient, we’ll need quite a large heat sink.
By looking at Advanced Thermal Solutions datasheet for extruded profiles. Let’s consider a 50 mm (2 inches) length to match the Typhoon, we need a thermal resistance of about 1 °C/Watts. The smallest heat sink available is the ATS-EXL77 with 1.0 °C/W. This heatsink is 120 mm wide, more than twice the Typhoon itself. Other fins get very thick and more space is required, not including the added fan space.
ATS-EXL77 HeatsinkCooling efficiency: Air vs. Water
Comparing two 120 mm × 120 mm heatsinks and radiators, you’ll see that the heatsink can dissipate about 5 W/°C while a radiator can dissipate 22 W/°C. Using a radiator is not only more effective, it allows you to move the exchange unit away from the heat source. By using water as a heat carrier, the radiators can be mounted outside the 3D printer, in a different environment, increasing even further the heat transfer efficiency between the liquid and the air.
AON3D M2 has its radiator outside their printerReliability
If you ever checked for maximum rated temperature for most components such as electric devices like motors and fans, you’ll probably see temperatures under 70 °C are achievable according to the datasheet. However, the “mean time between failures” (MTBF) is greatly reduced at higher temperatures. For example, take a look at the Sanyo fans datasheet. At 40 °C, the MTBF is around 70k hours. It goes down to 40k at 60 °C, only 20 °C hotter.
Peltier “coolers”
We got this suggestion quite often:
“Why not use a Peltier cooler rather than a liquid cooling system? You could use the heat from the cooler to heat the environment and cool the hotend at the same time!”
It might sound like a nice idea (actually it’s not). Let’s dig into more details.
Typical Peltier ElementHow it actually works
The Peltier Effect was discovered in 1834 and consists of running a current between a thermocouple (two different metals). Heat is transferred from one junction to another. It creates a cold side and a hot side.
Keep in mind that this effect doesn’t actually “cool”, it only moves heat from one side to the other, and the efficiency is actually not that great.
To understand the efficiency concept better, let’s take a look at the Coefficient of Performance below:
Peltier element efficiencyIf we take the example from above, with a 40 Watts to dissipate, and a maximum of 20 °C from ambient, we need to take a look at the grey curve corresponding to a ðT of 20 K (= 20 °C). The optimal point is at 30% current and has a COP of around 1.20.
Using the thermoelectric plate at 30% of its current means that you need to get a plate rated at 333% from our requirements. Due to space constraints, we’ll be using our plate at its full potential, which brings us to an efficiency of 40%.
In other words, to move 40 Watts with 40% efficiency, we’ll need a thermoelectric plate of 100 Watts. 100 Watts is now the amount of power that will need to be cooled by the heatsink on the hot side. Because yes, the hot side needs to be cooled in order to keep the 20 °C we are aiming to keep.
Why It’s Not a Solution for Most Scenarios
You might already have seen it in the example from above. First, the Peltier element draws a lot of current and is not efficient, increasing the load to be dissipated.
We went from 40 W to dissipate to 100 W just to keep our extrusion system at room temperature. The heatsink will need to be more than twice the size than it was before.
We still need a fan, as the heatsink can’t cool that amount of power using natural convection.
As the Peltier will heat the environment, it won’t be able to keep the extrusion system at the right temperature, as the delta temperature will need to increase proportionally.
Typical Peltier cooler from TE Technology with a fan, radiator and Peltier elementThe possible case
The use of Peltier would be interesting if we need to keep the extrusion system (and probably the filament) to a lower temperature than the ambient. At that point, the hot side will probably be cooled using a liquid-cooled plate anyway to match the power requirements.
The Myths Behind Liquid Cooling
Many are sceptical about adding a liquid cooling to their machine. We’ll go through all the concerns we’ve heard and see what the facts are. Keep in mind that liquid cooling is used in more devices than you might think. Think about your car motor, big server rooms, laser devices, lightning, and many other high-power devices; they all use liquid cooling as their cooling solution.
Typical car liquid cooling loopAdded weight
Keeping the carriage weight is critical for acceleration performance and print quality. We’ve heard that the added weight will be a big problem for printers, leading to decreased printer performance. The water weight is also a concern to many, being inside the tubing and heavy to move.
Well, in theory, it’s not false. However, if we take a deeper look, the hotend liquid cooling blocks weigh 20 grams, including the fittings and the plug. The fan weighs 8 grams. That’s a 12 grams increases for the hotend.
The extruder liquid cooling block is 30 grams, including all the hardware.
Considering 150 mm of tubing being actually moved by the carriage, and filling all the block with water sums up to 6 grams of water.
A carriage with the extruder, hotend, bearing, fans, shroud, and other accessories will usually weigh more than 500 grams, sometimes more than 750 grams with blocks for linear rails and metal mounting plate. Adding a total of about 50 grams won’t have much effect on your print and acceleration.
Modified Cube Pro with original cooling systemLow efficiency
We’ve heard concerns about not having any fins inside the blocks, such as computer liquid cooling blocks have for the CPU, where this could lead to poor cooling performance.
Some were also sceptical about the ability of actually cooling the extruder at all.
The graph above shows a test where both hotend were heated at 485°C. That’s not all, the air cooled unit was tested at room temperature, where the liquid cooled hotend was sitting in an oven at 100°C.
As you can see, the liquid-cooled set-up, even though it’s sitting in an environment 80°C hotter than the air-cooled set-up, is running 20°C colder. That’s pretty impressive and efficient!
Risks of Leaks
It’s totally true that there is a risk of a leak. However, with a basic understanding of the requirements, it’s very easy to avoid them. Our blocks are designed to use o’ring fittings rather than taper threads, which is a lot more reliable and leak-free.
The cooling kits are packed with tube crimps, offering a reliable securing method between the tube and the barbs. The crimps we have chosen will wrap the tube evenly, all around the circumference.
With the very flexible, high-temperature tubing we are using, the stress on the barb is minimal. Especially if the tubing is secured in a cable chain, there is barely any movement between the barb and the tubing. This leads to a very stable and reliable liquid cooling loop.
Moreover, Dyze Design has been working on a compression fitting design, one of the safest ways to ensure a leak-free operation.
Dyze Design upcoming compression fittingImproving insulation
We’ve been told to improve the insulation using ceramics rather than use liquid cooling. For our application, we need to use a special ceramic where manufacturers are actually able to machine it.
The main problem with ceramics is their brittleness. Since the extrusion system is subject to frequent collision with the printed part, it’s very dangerous to use a brittle material like ceramic.
Ceramics are indeed very good thermal and electrical insulators. However, most of them are better thermal conductors than titanium. For example, Silicon Nitride and Aluminum Oxides have higher thermal conductivity. The only viable option would be zirconia.
An original design from “2 engineers” brought a ceramic hotend to the market. Unfortunately, due to manufacturing limitations, the ceramic base couldn’t be optimal and this hotend would conduct too much heat towards the top “cold” section.
The Chess HotEndWater Boiling
Some were sceptical about the fact that water would be boiling if ran into a chamber hotter than 100°C. While it is true that water boils at 100°C, a continuous flow of water within a few metres of tubing inside a heated environment won’t get to 100°C.
When properly set-up, the water will be running as soon as the machine starts. This ensures that all the cooled components will be kept at a stable temperature at all times.
The Hardware You Can Get
As mentioned earlier, liquid cooling is used in many different applications which makes cooling systems widely available and easy to get. Some options cost less, others are easier to work with, some are more reliable, we’ll help you find the optimal solution.
Care must be taken when choosing a cooling system. Over all problems that might occur, galvanic corrosion is without any doubt the biggest concern you should have. In short, don’t mix metals when liquid is involved and use proper liquids and additives to protect your systems. Our liquid cooling solution is made from aluminum, and we do our best to add corrosion resistant coatings, such as nickel plating. When building your system, choose aluminum radiators over brass radiators as the risk of corrosion will be greatly reduced.
EK Waterblocks example of galvanic corrosion with an old Zalman designComputer All-in-one
Computer all-in-one are usually designed to replace a standard heatsink for a CPU. They can be found as low as $50 for a single fan radiator. The strength of this solution is the low price, and the fact that everything is included.
However, filling it will be painful and tedious (we talk from experience). Since there is no reservoir, it takes a lot of patience to get it filled right.
Also, you’ll need to modify it as you’ll need to reroute the tubing.
Note that the copper plate won’t have any use in our application, we’ll simply use the pump mounted over it.
Below is a list of brands and models:
- Thermaltake Water
- DEEPCOOL Gammaxx
- CORSAIR HYDRO
- NZXT Kraken
Customized loop
A customized loop is a very interesting solution if you are willing to invest more time into design. Customized simply means you’ll be getting each part one by one, and you’ll be building the loop on your own.
It’s a very good choice if you are looking for an optimal solution, minimal space and excellent reliability.
Here is a short list of what’s required:
- Pump
- Reservoir
- Radiator
- Fittings
- Tubing
- Liquid and additive
The downside of this solution is that you’ll need to get a bit of knowledge and make sure all the parts will fit together. One of the simplest solutions is to get computer liquid cooling parts. There are a few reasons it’s easier this way:
- Parts work in 12 V
- Fitting threads are G1/4 (BSPP ¼) and have an o-ring for proper seal
- Parts are very reliable and the MTBF is usually higher than 20k hours
- Parts are very widely available and easy to get
Here is a list computer cooling parts you should be looking:
- Swiftech
- Koolance
- EK
- AlphaCool
Coolers
Coolers are available for both industrial usage and computer usage. Both works using very similar components.
The most common model is the CW3000 “chiller”. Usually, a chiller will use either a Peltier element or a phase change system to pump the heat out, where a cooler will use a passive heat exchange system such as a radiator. The CW3000 branding is misleading, as the inside is simply a set of pipes cooled by a fan, not even a radiator.
Koolance offers a wide range of coolers, and the ALX-750-P400 is probably one of the most interesting for our application.
ALX-750-P400 Modular Liquid Cooling SystemDyze Design high performance liquid cooling system
We have designed a solution to get with our industrial products such as the Typhoon and Pulsar. The unit is able to handle the heat generated from the extrusion system plus any additional motor from your printer.
The system has a powerful 1200 litre per hour pump, and two 2*120 mm radiators with a total of 4 fans. Everything is in a stainless steel housing.
If you are getting a high flow extrusion system, you’d probably consider adding this kit to your order to complete the loop!
Conclusion
In this blog, we saw the available cooling solutions for 3D printing. Then we went through how fans are fine until you print at high temperature, how Peltier is a bad idea in 3D printing and how water cooling offers the best reliability and performance for high temperatures or industrial applications. If you were still not convinced, we then went through myths and limitations water cooling solutions and how to address them, and finally we concluded by looking at available cooling solutions for your needs.
As always, I hope you enjoyed reading this blog. Anything wrong or incomplete, contact me or leave a comment, I’ll be happy to rectify the information.
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Which stepper motor to use in heated chamber
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I want to build a 3D printer with a heating chamber around 90°C and a build area of 200x200x200mm. I have never built a CoreXY system, so currently my design is an XY system with a moving X motor (mounted on Y). Because it has a heating chamber, I can't use a conventional stepper motor (there is a way, but I have to provide forced air cooling like NASA, or water cooling). The extruder is Bowden type. I have already purchased almost all the components, but I am stuck in choosing an engine.
I could find a high temperature stepper motor in India (that's where I'm from), but it's too expensive. I found one on the Visionminer site, they are dealers for Intamsys printers that have a 90°C chamber and they also provide replacement stepper motors.
If we compare the cost, the motor I found in India costs three times as much as the one above. Even with shipping, I save a lot. But one problem is that they don't provide any details about torque and current rating. There is one image on the site and it says:
MOONS STEPPING MOTOR TYPE 17HDB001-11N 60904162 18/04/12
I thought it might be a LUNAR drive, so I contacted them, but no response yet. I tried to find the engine by part number, but without success. I also tried emailing Visionminer.
Does anyone know what motor this is? or know any high temperature motors?
They also use locking straps that are 85°C rated. How reliable will it be in 90 years Chamber °C?
@Athul, 👍2
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warm, unless you really close it tightly, which is really not necessary. I have an enclosure around my MIGBOT 200x200x200mm (early Prusa clone with direct drive extruder) printing PLA with a 60°C desktop, the interior only gets a few degrees warmer. Motors can use a lot more heat than you think.
I have a couple of photos in this thread.
The front and back panels are 18x24" polycarbonate from Home Depot, I 3D printed the corner brackets and added a couple of pieces of wood for some stiffness. The entire front is closed with hinges. The top is 24x24" and the back 6" hinges up to access the SD card which is in the display/control panel.
, @ CrossRoads
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You don't have to worry about a staggered heating chamber as the direct drive uses a fan to cool the motor area.
When I started making my own printer, I had the same question, but in order to make me feel good and calm. I prefer to use a bowder extruder.
This bowden extruder comes in different sizes: regular as shown in the picture above, small and mini as the others shown pre-assembled below.
However, the question should be different, for example can I print in the oven? for this consider other possibilities:
1. - Cover or protect the motor with foil to avoid heating.
2.- Add water cooling, such as a processor, to allow water to drain from the outside to the engine to keep the temperature low.
3.- Add cooling fans, these should take in air from outside and the air can be directed by a corrugated tube for the extruder motor and radiator. For motors X, Y and Z a rigid tube can be installed.
These cooling fans will not affect the temperature of the inner chamber due to the fact that the cooling process is punctual.
4.- Many electronic components are designed to work at 105°, so this will not affect it in a short time, however, the life of the structure will be significantly reduced, since under normal conditions it is up to 5 years, so your printer can work up to 1, 5 years.
Recommendations:
I don't see any real reason to keep the printer insulated from high temperatures, when the main goal is to keep temperature fluctuations out of climates such as winter and summer. In my case, the print shop has a normal temperature of 38°C in summer and -2°C in winter, so how can I print with the same quality in winter if the printer is so cold? ah, I need a camera to keep the summer temperature like this . then I made the camera so that it reached 38°C, not the entire temperature of the print on the table.
If I need to print ABS, so I set the table temperature to 80°C so that the parts don't warp due to the correct ABS glue temperature; furthermore, this temperature will not overheat the camera to at least 60°C, but it can be reduced by extracting heat with another fan. For this case, only one or two fans are enough.
Note: The idea of putting the whole printer in an oven will help keep the temperature under control at 80°-95°C is good, but sometimes it is difficult to realize due to materials and other purposes, and the lifespan will be too low.
Therefore, your camera must only include the printable area or follow the guidelines as shown in the figure above. These photos were taken from the industrial RepRap website and also show some of the features as I suggest.
, @ Fernando Baltazar
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Two things are important for a stepper motor: the temperature of the insulation and the Curie point of the magnet.
You are probably not getting close to the Curie point.
The critical temperature is the sum of the ambient temperature plus the temperature rise from the drive power. In your case, I would try mounting the motor on a water-cooled metal cold plate. Bring the engine to a lower temperature. Mount the full surface of the engine onto the plate with thermoplastic.
Use a tiny pump to move water from a reservoir across a cold stove. For example, check out E3D Kracken.
, @ cmm
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An alternative to finding steppers that can handle the heat, you may want to consider staying warm near the steppers:
- , you can take the walkers out of the build scope.
- Protect motors from heat by placing them in a cooler tunnel or behind a faceplate/cover
You can also protect steppers from heat, eg Ultimaker 3(E) steppers are behind a cover.
Be aware that when building a 90°C thermal camera, all printed parts for CoreXY must be printed as filament that can withstand the temperature you want the camera to be (or be made of metal). For the specified temperature, this implies the use of some more exotic filament types, see for example this answer.
, @ 0scar
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I'm just being direct. If you can't design and build a basic XY system, then you shouldn't even try to build a heated chamber.
Stratasys 3D printers with heated chambers use the H-Bot (predecessor to CoreXY) design to keep everything out of the camera. You cannot use regular hotend. You can't have fans on this hot end to keep it cool. You cannot have motors inside a chamber. You can barely keep the filament in the chamber because it can get soft inside the tube.
Some answers say that engines can already run at high temperatures. This is true only under environmental conditions. The heat generated by the motor coils tries to escape from the motor. It got a lot hotter inside! So if you raise the outside temperature to 90, the heat won't go away as quickly; and if it rises above the melting/combustion temperature, the engine will fail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_wire
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/211986/burning-temperature-of-copper-winding-of-motor
After this fails, the PVC coating on the lead wires will fail, usually resorting to short circuits, which can destroy the stepper drivers.
Also, anything made of metal will expand. The ball bearings will expand, the rails will expand, and the hot end will expand. The line system may become stiffer or looser; it may even warp depending on the type of steel.