Resin 3d printer in apartment
Resin 3D printer and small apartment
- #1
I'm looking into 3D printers and it seems like Resin based is the best for figurines. The details are sharp, and the product is a bit more flexible than Filament based prints (at least for printers in my price range).
Problem is, Resin printers imply manipulating toxic substances. And I live in a small apartment in Paris, so no real workshop, garage or garden.
Would it be doable? Gloves and masks are mandatory anyways but would the fumes and liquids be too dangerous without a dedicated room?
I hope someone with experience can help me !
I leaning toward an Elegoo Mars, by the way. And the Saturn whenever it comes out.
RivalCore
- #2
So long as you have access to a decent sized room with a window, the fumes and vapor aren't too bad. You don't want to be exposed to it constantly but a couple of hours isn't going to have any real consequences on your health. Though if it is hot outside(which will happen in Paris) I do recommend a fan to help push the air outside.
One thing I would caution, and this is with any resin printer, try to have a dedicated work surface. Resin is a pain in the arse to properly cure and clean (and toxic!) so keep the material and your workspace away from where you would normally eat or work.
Squarehard
- #3
I hope you have good ventilation in there at least, and also some way to control temperature, because those things get real damn hot on top of everything else it gives off.
Jonnax
- #4
Resetera is the wrong place to ask.
Find a forum about 3D printing and making to ask from informed people.
You don't want to risk your health.
Lung damage is not a joke.
- #5
RivalCore said:
So long as you have access to a decent sized room with a window, the fumes and vapor aren't too bad. You don't want to be exposed to it constantly but a couple of hours isn't going to have any real consequences on your health. Though if it is hot outside(which will happen in Paris) I do recommend a fan to help push the air outside.
One thing I would caution, and this is with any resin printer, try to have a dedicated work surface. Resin is a pain in the arse to properly cure and clean (and toxic!) so keep the material and your workspace away from where you would normally eat or work.
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I wanted to use a removable board above my regular desk for those kind of works, so I can stash it away between 3D print sessions. I usually do this when using paint and stuff hard to remove !
Squarehard said:
I hope you have good ventilation in there at least, and also some way to control temperature, because those things get real damn hot on top of everything else it gives off.
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Yeah, two huge windows that takes half of my wall, and a good tower fan!
Jonnax said:
Resetera is the wrong place to ask.
Find a forum about 3D printing and making to ask from informed people.You don't want to risk your health.
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Yes, I'm asking several places, I want as much info as I can before doing it. I don't want to take chemicals lightly.
RivalCore
- #6
Just remember you'll be cleaning parts as well using IPA or white spirits and I do recommend a respirator or mask for that, especially in tight spaces!
- #7
RivalCore said:
Just remember you'll be cleaning parts as well using IPA or white spirits and I do recommend a respirator or mask for that, especially in tight spaces!
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Gonna feel like Walter White in his trailer, but if this is what it takes, no problem !
Defiler76
- #8
Some resins have stronger fumes than others. I find the Siraya tech abs like resin has virtually no fumes while the cover is over my Mars.
- #9
Defiler76 said:
Some resins have stronger fumes than others. I find the Siraya tech abs like resin has virtually no fumes while the cover is over my Mars.
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Thanks for the tips, I didn't look yet into the different types of resins. Seems like Abs resin exists with different brand, gotta check that.
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- #10
Half a year ago I had the same question and even though I live in a 70square metre flat I decided against it after reading a lot and watching quite a few videos.
I’ll wait until I can have a room specific to my Hobby and then buy one.
Sectorseven
- #11
Check if your library has one, or perhaps a private makerspace nearby.
Zimmiwood
The Wise Ones
- #12
Sesuadra said:
Half a year ago I had the same question and even though I live in a 70square metre flat I decided against it after reading a lot and watching quite a few videos.
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yeah same here, in the end i thought about renting out a garage space.
El Beefo
- #13
I've been using Elegoo's resin and the smell is hardly noticeable. That said I would still make sure to do it in a well ventilated area and somewhere that you can easily clean as there will be spills and uncured resin can be messy. I haven't tried it myself but I've heard cleaners like simple green or mean green can work instead of IPA would could be worth trying as in my experience the smell from the IPA is 10x worse than the resin, alternatively you could use elegoo's water washable resin though it is more expensive. Personally I've switched to using elegoo's ABS like resin though as I was tired of my miniatures shattering when they get dropped.
- #14
Mmmm, looks like that would be unreasonable, reading all the opinions. How are the safety hazards with Filament based printers? Are there fumes and dangerous material too?
julia crawford
Took the red AND the blue pills
- #15
I thought this would be about 3d printing a small apartment. ..
- #16
John Kowalski said:
I thought this would be about 3d printing a small apartment...
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It's a thing !
rsfour
- #17
Where does the smells and whatnot go with your windows open? You don’t want to get your neighbours sick etc
- #18
rsfour said:
Where does the smells and whatnot go with your windows open? You don’t want to get your neighbours sick etc
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To the street, there's nohting directly in front of my widows, no risk for that I think.
- #19
Depending on the printer you have, some have 3D printable blueprints for creating a fan-powered exhaust tube for the fumes, but, there are also less fume-y resins. The eco resins, or water washable resins, often have less of a 'smell' (But, be sure to not actually dispose the water down the drain, uncured resin is really nasty on aquatic life.). There are alternatives to IPA (Especially right now, as there's a shortage) which, often are Mean Green/some other Green labelled thing, Resinaway from Monocure, methylated spirits, and soapy water if you pick up the water washable resins.
I have a Photon S, and I have it in a study but, I have the windows open (They're about 5ftx5ft) and the door to the rest of the house closed when I'm printing and post-procesing with IPA and/or Resinaway. I personally like the clean I get better on minis that I get with IPA/methylated spirits versus Resinaway, but Resinaway is super amazing for cleaning spills, so, it's a main go-to in my spill kit. The fumes don't super bother me for when I'm printing, but, I also try to not stay in the room for long periods if the printer's going/resin is out. I did spill about half a bottle of resin in my early days, and that really affected me, I had to take shifts to clean it because the fumes were making my eyes hurt and water and my nose clog up and run.
I've been using Monocure resin, as they're an Aussie company, and while their normal resins aren't too fume-y, their flex resin though (I usually do a 1 part flex 3 parts normal mix for minis, resin is very brittle normally, and the flex resin means it'll bend rather than break, kind of like WotC's official DnD minis) is really pungent (This was the one I spilt half a bottle of). They smell less than the Anycubic Green that came with the printer, and I've got it tuned in well and get really nice results
Aureon
- #20
It's gonna smell a bit, but the only absolute NO i'd give is your bedroom
That thing -can't- be where you sleep, full stop
- #21
Thanks y'all for your advices! I decided to get a filament based printer instead of resin, it would have been too dangerous for my small lair !
I ordered an Ender 5, some TL Smoother modules and black PLA Filament. I'll post some pics when it's here and I have done test prints!
print material - Is 3D printing safe for your health?
There is very little information about safety available, as home 3D printers are relatively new. However, plastics such as ABS have a long history in making plastic products, and a study found that at traditional manufacturing methods (such as injection molding and hot wire cutting) do not release dangerous levels of carcinogens and/or respiratory sensitizers in to the air.
Of course, 3D printers are not among the processes covered in the study. In home 3D printing circles, this study that looks at ultrafine particle (UFP) emissions, is often cited. It finds that printing ABS releases relatively high levels of UFP's and PLA releases significantly fewer (but still quite a large amount). However, it is unclear whether/how dangerous these UFP's are in the amounts emitted.
It is often suggested that PLA, partly because of the reduced UFP emissions is safer to print than ABS, partly because of its "natural" origins as it can be derived from materials such as cornstarch. I would caution against this line of reasoning since "natural" materials can still be poisonous (snake venom is natural, after all) and the cornstarch is heavily processed so it hardly resembles its original form. The lower UFP emissions may suggest it is safer, but the study is only quantitative, not qualitative.
That said, PLA does probably pose less of a risk (despite my earlier argumentation against "natural" materials, PLA does play quite nicely with the human body), but I contend the risk with ABS is not too large anyways, given that it has been safely used in factories for decades.
Another study is often miscited, supposedly saying that 3D printing ABS releases hydrogen cyanide. The study only looks at the thermal decomposition of ABS, which happens at significantly higher temperatures than are reached during printing (but a significantly malfunctioning printer might cause toxic gasses to be released, but I contend that at that point you should worry about your printer being on fire, rather than temporary exposure to some toxins).
There are no printers out there that are fundamentally safer than others. However, some printers have an enclosure (containing the fumes) and some even have a carbon filter and a fan for fume extraction. If you would like to err on the side of caution, this might be a good choice (but again, it is not clear if a carbon filter is totally effective).
Finally, as printers are generally quite noisy it tends to be preferrable to keep your printer in a separate room from where you usually work. In this case, fume exposure (during the few minutes that you go to check on your print) is minimal, and the potential advantages of a "safer" printers or using "safer" materials diminish.
Incidental exposure as a hobbyist is probably not a big deal; workers in factories are exposed to the fumes of melted plastic their entire lives and they don't seem to be dropping dead. On the other hand, if you are going to be printing structurally then it is probably preferable to move your printer to a separate room, if not because of health and safety because of the noise.
Photopolymer Evaporation Analysis with Honeywell HAQ Monitor / Tools / iXBT Live
Greetings! I have already talked in detail about 3D printers, including photopolymer ones, but I managed to briefly talk about the resin itself (printing consumables). Correcting)) Speaking in a general sense, a photopolymer for 3D printing is a complex chemical composition: it is a liquid polymer resin (resin) with a photoinitiator and dyes. The photoinitiator serves as an agent that accelerates polymerization and curing when exposed to ultraviolet radiation with a wavelength of about 405 nm. Like any other 3D printing product, when working with SLA printers and resin, safety precautions and basic rules are required, as such work is associated with certain health risks. nine0003
I'll be checking emissions during printing with a custom Honeywell air quality monitor.
HONEYWELL HAQ AIR QUALITY MONITOR
This monitor not only shows the basic air parameters - temperature-humidity (T / H) and dust content (PM2. 5), but also the content of organic volatile substances and formaldehydes in the air we breathe. What is PM2.5, T / H, TVOC (VOC), CO2, HCHO and why it is harmful, see a detailed review of the Honeywell HAQ air quality monitor - gadgets guarding your health. nine0003
There are other tools for air quality analysis - for this I prepared an article on the choice of air quality detectors (PM2.5, CO2, TVOC, HCHO). Basic rules - ventilate more often, pay attention to the air we breathe.
Specific measurements were taken when printing on an inexpensive Longer Orange30 3D printer for photopolymer printing (Longer Orange30 review). About this and other models of SLA printers - a separate article-selection. All photopolymer printers have a similar printing process - layer-by-layer curing of a liquid photopolymer by radiation (UV) through a mask matrix. nine0003
Honeywell air quality monitor showed a preliminary measurement - the air in the room is clean. You can start experimenting.
Filling the printer tray, preparing for printing, including the model for printing.
Photopolymer (standard) UV 405 nm was used. During printing, the printer and tray are covered with a special photoprotective casing that prevents the penetration of ultraviolet radiation. Such a solution a) protects your eyes from the radiation of the UV matrix during operation, and the liquid photopolymer protects from stray light. But the quality of the air removed from the working area is not checked in any way, and the air is not filtered. nine0003
I place the monitor directly in the working area of the SLA printer. Indications and gas content are gradually increasing.
During printing, I receive data by remote connection - from a smartphone. On the face of a clear excess of concentrations of volatile substances and gases of formaldehyde, and other organic compounds.
During printing, the readings are kept at about the same level, even if the room is ventilated, in the immediate vicinity of the working area, the readings are high. nine0003
Photographing the finished model. The photopolymer emits a slight odor.
Photopolymer shows slightly lower TVOC/HCHO readings after washing.
Washed but not fully cured resin "smells". The truth is less. The smell goes away after repeated washing and additional UV treatment for a minute.
But there is no dust in the air. At the time of printing and after the reading, the content of PM2.5 particles is minimal. nine0003
After the printing process, a heavy smell of resin remains in the air - do not forget about ventilation and safety precautions when working with such substances.
Experience has shown that virtually all photopolymer resins have fumes and odours. Depending on the composition, this can be stronger and more dangerous, but there are also safe options, such as dental or bio-resins (Water/Dental).
As for safety when working with resins - ventilate the room (or even better, install a hood), work directly with the resin with personal protective equipment. Avoid contact with mucous membranes (eyes, etc.). nine0003
A special monitor-analyzer will allow you to check and receive timely data on air quality. At the moment, a 10% discount coupon " HQ" is valid.
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